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appalling to hear a dialogue that talks about using religion to discriminate against both myself and my community. you know, when i was in high sdoo school, i was actually assaulted because i was gay. as a result, i spent most of my life down playing the fact. you know, i don't ride in pride parades and i don't really wear it on my cuff, but i really feel compelled to really put it out there. you know, i don't think that we deserve a bill like this anywhere in this country. >> joining me now, damian klinko, the arizona state representative you just heard from and washington post columnist jonathan capehart. what made you speak about the bill the way you did, using your own personal reference, which as you said is not something that you are inclined to do. >> i used my own story because this is a personal attack against me and everyone in the lgbt community in the state of arizona. the community doesn't deserve this sort of treatment. and i don't think there's ever an excuse that we should sanction discrimination against a minority group. it makes me sad and disappointed in a state that
of religion bill, and peter sprigg, who supports it. what should government do if religious freedom lets some people discriminate? tonight on "crossfire." >> welcome to "crossfire." i'm van jones on the left. >> imt s.e. cupp on the right. guests on opposite sides of arizona's religious freedom bill. both major league baseball and the nfl are playing intense pressure on governor jan brewer tonight. mlb will neither support for tolerate any word, attitudes or actions that imperil the inclusive communities that we have strived to foster within our game. there's word that the nfl might move the super bowl out of arizona. look, i'm a republican, i'm for religious liberty, i am not for this bill. i think it goes too far. but it does raise important questions, not just about religious freedom, but market freedom. and the government should not compel business owners to provide services to everyone no matter what. and if you think i'm wrong, i bet i can change your mind tonight. >> you're pretty persuasive, but you're up against a big tide of public opinion on this particular set of issues. we're goi
does. >> in arizona, unlike other states, while there are protections based on rarks religion -- race, religion, national origin, there's none on sexual orientation. so already a business can say, "i don't serve gays", this is deflated. does it grant protection for gays or businesses to go ahead and discriminate. i think what it has done is shined the light on the fact that arizona is a state that does not offer protection for gays. folks rallied around that saying "why not?" >> how has it hurt the state? >> arizona had a history of problems, whether it's pr problems or not. after the governor of arizona cancelled a holiday for reverent mart mart martin luther king, a lot pulled out. if it does not change the laws, it underscores the question of does arizona think of itself as a friendly state. does it see itself as a place welcoming to everyone. for a company like apple. apple decided to build a plant here with 1200 employees. they are a gay-friendly company. they may think "do we want to located a plant where some. our employees may not feel welcome" >> what does it say about the st
not of religion, necessarily, but of money and money matters and talks. you know that. >> absolutely. i see this as a business story. anyway, we appreciate your story very much. free market capitalism, it's blind to things like race, religion, color, gender and sexuality. that's the economics of it. while i have enormous respect for religious freedom and beliefs, i just don't see this as the key issue in the discussion. that's why i think governor jan brewer should veto what really amounts to a gay discrimination bill and an anti-business bill as well. but many people disagree with me. here now to discuss outgoing business insider, politics editor, josh bare row and we welcome kathy, senior fellow at the family research council and spokesperson for the u.s. catholic bishops. kathy, let me begin with you. you're talking to a pro life catholic. you probably know that. >> i do. >> on this one, i think the capitalist free market principles quite frankly trumped the religious issues. tell me why you disagree. >> this is the same balancing test that ted kennedy and chuck schumer voted into federa
. >>> arizona governor jan brewer was forced to veto legislation that would use religion to codify hate and deny basic rights. major corporations like american airlines, at&t, the nfl and mlb, in addition to business leaders throughout the state urged the governor to veto the bill. while similar measures have been introduced in about a dozen other republican-controlled states like kansas, south dakota and tennessee, by the end of the week, the moral and economic arguments seem to have had an impact. now this comes as we've seen a rapidly growing acceptance of lbgt americans and issues like same-sex marriage. a federal judge ordered kentucky to immediately begin recognizing same-sex marriages from other states. so that suggests to me that the reason for the proliferation of these hateful measures is fear. just like the anti-women's rights and anti-voting rights legislation we've seen in states, these measures represent fear of a changed reality. but the question now is whether or not the events of last week represent a final tipping point in ensuring equal rights for lbgt americans. let's bring i
to gays or people of religions that do things they don't agree with. several state senators regret their vote for this bill but one republican is still supporting this. >> they are free agents. felt if they have responded to all of the pressure, it has been intense, that is okay. they are all good friends of mine. steve pierce voted for this bill but now he is ptelling the governor he hopes she vetoes it. how do you respond to your colleague that says you and others have caved on this bill? >> he is a good friend. we have not caved. we had reservations at the beginning and we saw the outcry and realized it wasn't right. >> the bill says a business owner, church owner or coperation can deny service if motivated by religious belief if it burdens their belief. what did afraid would happen? >> it has gone from reality into perception and what is perceived is overriding of the bill. perception is it is a bad and going to be specific to gays. we didn't intend it that way. my colleague and i never thought it would be like that but that is the perception and horrible for the damage it is g
of legislation. tell me how this is tied to, and maybe differs from arizona's freedom of religion laws. >> that is an interesting question, how did arizona get to this moment? i wish we could speak to that, but where would we begin. the freedom of religion law passed in 1999 and existed at the federal lovel level in 1993. we inserted a line in this newest incarnation of the bill that talks specifically about a belief being sincerely held. that's where people are getting hung up and feeling like everybody feels that their beliefs are sincerely held. that is language added to this bill, and some say it clarifies. >> say the governor signs this piece of legislation into law, and businesses turn away gays and lesbians lead to go discrimination lawsuits. would it be up to a judge to determine the sincerity of a business ow owner's religious convictions? >> reporter: in arizona the state does not prohibit gay or lesbian. in three of our largest cities they are. in that case the city would have to bring case against the individual business owner. so a person, i, couldn't bring a lawsuit again
exercise of religion, sincerely held religious beliefs. >> opponents of the bill claimed victory for an open attack on gays. >> this showed the nation that not all arizonians are like extremists, and that there are good people, and we want to lead the country forward, not backwards. >> a statement was issued, praising her decision. >> major corporations weighed in too. apple, american airlines, delta and the n.f.l. all urged governor jan brewer to veto the measure. >> it was a combination. business community and activist. >> it sent a message to the governor. >> and speaking of the business community, supporters of the bill have been saying that there is a lot of support by local businesses. one of our producers here made several calls, 50 businesses, dry cleaners, hair salons, and could not find a local business behind it. >> thank you. we should point out the veto of the bill in arizona does not end the debate open over religious freedom nationwide. it got further, being a signature away from the governor to become war. similar balls failed to pass in kansas, idaho, south dakot
because of their religion so she didn't think the bill made accepts. your organization release add statement today that read "this legislation would give homosexuals more protection than they did under the current law". given nobody could come up with example of the discrimination, how could they have more protection under a law essentially created to allow people who didn't want to serve gays getting married with things like photography or wedding cakes? >> well, the irony is that arizona does not currently have sexual orientation listed as a protected category in either their employment nondiscrimination laws or public accommodation laws. so the current state of the law in arizona is that anybody can discriminate against gays at any time for any reason or for no reason whatsoever. this bill deals only with when a government action conflicts with a person's sincerely held religious belief. it requires the person asserting that right to be able to prove that this is motivated by the religious belief, that that belief is sincerely held, and that the government action is a substantia
the door to allowing people to use religion as an excuse for prejudice. >> what's happening to all these people who are being discriminated against, their religious freedoms are being restrained or not allowed, and so we're still waiting for examples. >> reporter: tahman bradley, abc news, washington. >>> breaking news now in the deepening crisis in ukraine. armed gunmen have seized government buildings in the crimea region. that's a strategic peninsula in the black sea. there's no word yet on what the armed men want but they put up a russian flag and a sign that said, crimea is russian. ukraine's pro-russian president was ousted last week. >>> the acting president is warning russian troops to keep out of ukraine. so is the u.s. secretary of state. kerry says russian intervention would be a grave mistake. russia questioned the legitimacy of the new ukrainian leadership. ukrainian security forces are on high alert. >>> more breaking news from overnight. smoke in the cabin of a delta connection flight that landed in oakland, california. the plane made it to the jetway when about 80 p
allowed business owners to refuse to serve gays by citing their religion beliefs. here is what the governor said just minutes ago. >> after weighing all the arguments i have vetoed senate bill 1062 moments ago. to the supporters of this legislation i want you to know that i understand that long held norms about marriage and family are being challenged as never before. our society is undergoing many dramatic changes. however, i sincerely believe that senate bill 1062 has the potential to create more problems than it purports to solve. i could divide in arizona in ways we could never imagine and no one would ever want. religious liberty is a core, american and arizona value. so is nondiscrimination. going forward, let's turn the ugliness of the debate over senate bill 1062 into a renewed search for greater respect and understanding among all arizonans and americans. >> many people owned this bill because -- opposed this bill because they believe it provided political will to discriminate. brian rooney explains. >> protest was loud, where the legislature once again they said made
religion has the most force. the courts are like the worst place in order to try to get a religious belief codified or encoded into law. because the way in which the supreme court. >> you have to have a secular purpose for the law. when religious right was on the offense, what it did was to use a ballot initiative. everyone goes into the voting booth and votes their religious convictions. you can't second guess that. now that those statutes have become to be struck down by the courts, giving us secular reasons. now that they're playing defense, what the religious right is doing is saying, let's rely on the free exercise clause in order to allow individuals to sort these claims in court. in some ways, arizona was the easiest case, she showed no evidence of religious discrimination against businesses. land of legal, gay rights organization told me today they had received almost 500 complaints over the past four years about lgbt discrimination in arizona. >> which is legal. >> it starts to feel like, you hurt my fist when i hit your face argument. but i think as we move to other states, that
service to gays and lesbians or anyone that disagrees with the business people's religion. so a muslim taxi driver could ,efuse to take a jewish person or a single woman traveling by herself. rush limbaugh has no credibility at all. the legislation was trying to write in prejudice, and to use his words, bullying and coercion into civil law and that is not allowed. a great have changed deal. when you have this massive corporate lobby putting pressure , isn't your traditional, you know, gay and lesbian activist and their supporters -- you had corporate america saying no to prejudice. >> because they recognize the economic realities here. g power as well as our allies as well as -- you know, i maintain the majority of americans are good, decent people, and they will not tolerate this kind of abuse of a legal process. the corporations recognize that as well. marriott, american airlines, delta airlines, apple was going to build a manufacturing plant in mesa, arizona -- vetott romney tweeted to the bill. >> leadership on the republican side. the two u.s. senators from the arizona side as wel
the case in arizona, businesses to use religion as a defense in a private lawsuit. so to give you an example of how that might play out, you know, let's say you live in a state where it's illegal to fire someone because they're gay. now, if one of these bills passes, that company could turn around and say, oh, hey, i think homosexuality is a sin, therefore i'm going to fire you and i don't need to abide by this law. so, you know, that lawsuit provision is a big deal. >> i know in some of the cases, in some of the states where they've been considering this, the lawsuit provision works in such a way not only can you not sue somebody for discriminating against you, but if you do, you have to pay their legal fees as well as your own so it's almost a punishment for even complaining about being discriminated against. it's fascinating stuff and fast-moves story. dana lieblson, reporter for "mother jones." nice to see you. >> thanks for having any. >>> the federal prosecutor's investigation of the george washington bridge scandal in chris christie's new jersey has taken a turn today. we'v
with her if she could come up with one single example of discrimination based on religion in arizona that people of faith have suffered through. she couldn't come up with one other than hypotheticals that maybe might happen. but she had no actual example of it actually having occurred. that's interesting because governor brewer specifically pointed that out. i want to play some of that exchange we had with nancy barta, one of the authors of s b 1062. >> senator, do you have any actual example of someone in arizona being forced to do something against their religious beliefs? >> well, in arizona it could be happening all the time, yes. >> do you have an actual example? >> well, surely. people may be being asked to -- >> i mean where it's actually happened. >> well, obviously if people aren't bringing it to court we don't know about it at this point. but we do know that without this law, people would not be able to defend themselves in court. >> but again, you can't name actually one example where this has happened. because people opposed to this say look, this is a problem -- this is
of religion, clash of rights. here's how i answer dan. 50 years ago this day in one of surely the great legislative achievements in american history we passed the public accommodation section of the civil rights act saying if you open your doors to business in the united states you open it to everybody. that's a subtle issue. and the prestige of that law that just was obtained and i think that's where the mesh american people come down. it's a funny kind of sore winner in the gay rights movement that would say a photographer doesn't want to photograph my wedding. i have lots of other photographers i could go to. i'm going to use the hammer of government to force them to do this. it's not neighborly and it's not nice. the gay rights movement is winning. they should be, as i say, not sore winners. >> but having said that, i understand your point. you do say that if a gay couple wants to go into a bakery and have a wedding cake, the bakery should have to make cake. >> bake the cake. >> bake the cake. senator brown? you're thoughts on this? >> i thought what governor brewer did was appropri
versus gay right? >> free exercise of religion. the clash of rights. 50 years ago this year in one of the surely the great legislative freedoms of american history we passed the civil rights act. if you open your doors in the united states, you open it to everybody. that's the subtle issue. the procedure of that law has been obtain and i think that's where the american people come down. that said, it's a funny kind of sore winner in the gay rights movement that would say a photographer doesn't want to photograph my weddingin. but i've got lots of other photographers but i'm going to use the hammer of government to force them do this. it's not neighborly and it's not gay rights. they should be not sore winners. >> i understand that, having understood your point, you do say if a gay couple wants to go into a bakery and have a wedding cake, the bakery should have to bake the cake. >> bake the cake. >> senator brown, your thoughts on that? >> i thought it was appropriate for governor brewer to veto the law. there are both people on both sides of the very difficult issue. debt, spending
businesses to turn away gay customers. in the name of religion. >> arizona governor jan brewer is under intense pressure to veto, tweeting overnight that she will do the right thing for the state. more now from abc's cecilia vega. >> outrage at the state capitol. as governor jan brewer faces a decision, does she sign into law a bill in the name of religious freedom to refuse to serve gay people or veto it. but companies are pouncing, saying the law would create an unfriendly climate that's bad for business. joining the chorus, marriott hotels. tech giant, apple. which has plans to open a 2,000 job high-tech plant in the state. and american airlines. whose ceo wrote, this bill send the wrong message. mitt romney chimed in urging a veto. even the nfl weighs in. with next year's super bowl set to be played in arizona, the league says it supports tolerance and inclusiveness. >> it is discrimination couched behind the belief that i can hide behind my religious beliefs. >> the opposition has been loud, but you from the backers of this bill so far we are hearing silence. we tried to find busin
of the doubt. >> certainly i think religion is something always hot in the hearts of people. so there's outrage here. thousands asking in this petition -- >> 60,000. >> probably counting. there are those asking where is the outrage about christians being persecuted? where are those people? the incidents we've been seeing are outrageous. june 2009 -- >> in nigeria 59 were massacred on monday in their sleep by muslims against christians. they weren't watching a movie video at the time. >> these are the numbers here. harassment of christians in the countries that are reporting incidence of them. these are the ones we know about, in 2012, 110 of them. it certainly is something that brings outrage to many. the most oppressive nations now according to research, north korea, somalia, syria, iraq and afghanistan. is it a risky move of katy perry to go there with this video? should we be more vocal about the oppression for christians as well? >> i have a different take. who cares about a music video when people in those countries are being massacred, killed, churches burned and houses destroyed? as oppo
against gays and lesbians in the name of religion. >> thank you, jan! thank you, jan! >> people who opposed the bill celebrated. the arizona legislature passed the measure which would have allowed business owners to refuse service to gays and lesbians based on the bis owner's -- based on the business owner's beliefs. >>> time is now 7:42. we're still following developments in ukraine. tensions are very high in the southern part of the country that has strong ties to russia. now, pro russian government seized local government buildings and raised the russian flag. tensions are high between the now government and pro russian activists. there are reports that the ukrainian president driven out of power is now in russia where he's asked for protection. there are also reported that north korea launched four short- range missiles. the launches come as the u.s. and south korea are carrying out joint military exercises. now, north korea called these exercises a rehearsal for invasion. presumably, the missile launchers are a reacaction to thes -- reaction to those military exercises. >>> all
directly in the face of our religion. one of our core values as christians, we believe, is to love your neighbor as yourself. this bill is seeking to under a guise of religious freedom, it is seeking to give people license to discriminate. that doesn't love your neighbor as yourself. >> in the meantime, more national companies are urging a veto with a deadline a few days away. at&t, delta airlines, intel, text smart and yelp joined the earliest opponents of this bill. >>> a scathing senate report accuses credit suisse of helping wealthy americans of hiding billions from the irs. it was money hidden in panty hose, secret meetings in hotel l lobbies with no paper trail. christine romans is here with answers >>> the top brass at the bank of credit suisse, they acknowledge the behavior and say they have cleaned it up. senators are furious that this went on for so long. the government, the u.s. government, didn't do more to stop it. no question. today, right now, we're getting a very good look at the lifestyles of the rich and greedy. the numbers are shocking. according to the senate investi
of religion are in the first amendment to the united states constitution. >> yes, they are. >> when should they take a state? this law in arizona you have to prove as a businessman you were being burdened in your religious exercise. it didn't give the right of people to just say, i discriminated based on my faith. you had 11 republicans and democrats, harvard law professors and others saying this has been mischaracterized. >> you didn't need the law because there is no special protection. i want to move off that point to the point you just made. substantial burden to my faith. how is it a substantial burden to your faith to take photos of a gay wedding if you are a catholic? >> i think if people say, listen, i don't want to sanction polygamy or gay marriage or anything other than traditional marriage, we need to respect that. if you don't like it, shop around. it's not hard for gays to find somebody who is going to take a picture of them is there? >> how is it a substantial burden to your catholic faith to do that? where in your faith does it say that doing that is very wrong? >> you know
a controversial bill that divided the state. supporters touted the legislation as protecting religion freedom for businesses but critics said sb 1060 denying legal service to same-sex couples. the governor's decision follows intense pressure, including thousands of petitions from human rights activists and press releases from some of the nation's largest corporation. among them is american airlines and daeelta and apple. >> instead, this is the first policy bill to cross my desk. senate bill 1062 does not address a specific or present concern related to religious liberty in arizona. i've not heard one example in arizona where business owners religious liberty has been violated. the bill is broadly worded and could result in negative consequences. after weighing all of the argument i have vetoed senate bill 1062 moments ago. >> john mccain and jeff plak who are republican senators publicly lobbied for the governor's veto and hailed the decision they made. >> mark, call it like she is. governor brewer was looking at business. she heard from the commissioner of the nfl they may take the super bo
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's religion in canada. >> also people should know, the movie is coming out in spanish and korean at the same time. >> in america. >> in america. >> did you just shoot -- do you shoot a lot more? roma, you star in this movie. you're terrific as mary. did you guys shoot a lot more scenes out there? >> we did. we knew when we were shooting "the bible" series that the jesus narrative began to unfold that we had something spectacular, and jesus hasn't been on the big screen for 10 years. 50 years since this was told. we shot additional footage. we put the movie together and this friday it opens in 3,000 theaters across the country. >> wow. look at you. >> roma just told me an amazing thing. tell me about abe foxman with the jewish -- >> we have worked across denominations and reaching out to the jewish community through abe foxman at the ado to make sure we told this movie sensitively setting a political and historic context. >> right. >> presenting the story in a way that really just emphasized the love of jesus, and mr. foxman gave us a great endorsement from the ado. >> that's terrific. >> a f
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